This is Classic Hits Radio. It's Trina Mara, and we've got a hair expert in studio with us, Claire Devereux, who is a trichologist. What is a trichologist?
A trichologist, Trina, is a person who specializes in hair and scalp health. So I help women have the best hair of their life, Trina. I help with, uh, thinning hair,
A lot of women have this hair loss and thinning hair as they age. Is it a natural thing that will happen?
Um, I mean, it doesn't happen to everyone, you know. Some people are blessed and it doesn't happen. But there are so many women that do find their hair, at certain points, particularly with hormones,
Right
... notice first.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The ponytail isn't as thick anymore.
And, like, things like getting bald patches.
If you notice that your hair is thinning or shedding, we all shed between 80 and 100 hairs a day. That is normal for absolutely everyone.
No, no, no, no. Have you, have you seen the chair behind me here? [laughs]
[laughs]
There's at least 1,000 hairs on that. So what's normal and what's not normal then, in terms of hair loss?
All right. So patches, yeah, well, patches are usually a different thing, like a- alopecia. But all hair loss comes under the word alopecia, an umbrella. But, um, hair loss,
Mm.
So if you're noticing hair loss today, think back about three or four months and see what happened in your life. Did something happen? Had you had a baby? So three,
Oh, yeah.
And that's really what it is. So it's to really get your nutrition back. It's to get a balance again in your body. It's when your body's kind of out of balance
Okay. Um, a lot of girls are wearing their hair pulled very tightly in ponytails, et cetera, and buns, et cetera. Does that affect the hair?
100% it does, yeah. So a lot of people, yeah, you kind of see a trend for it and it, and it can look great, but the problem is that kind of pulling on your hair, particularly
Mm.
So it's really a good idea to avoid those. It might be okay to do it one day, but it's really not a good idea to be doing it for a whole week. And particularly
I don't think I could do it anyway because the headache.
I know.
I'd get such a headache if I had my hair tied-
Yeah
... up all the time like that.
I'd be exactly the same. I just wouldn't be able... And you have a lot of hair, you see-
Yeah
... so you feel that weight on your head as well. And there's a lot of hairstyles as well that could cover hair loss. So for example, if you find your hair's shedding a lot,
Yeah.
Because sometimes when people wear their hair to a certain side, they tend to straighten their hair more on that area, so they're getting more breakage around there.
Yeah.
So change maybe the parting on your hair, that's a big thing. And if you've a lot of new hair around the front, maybe consider fringe, slight bangs that
I think so many of us just go with the same hairstyle all the time, don't we? And we never even speak to our hairdresser about how we feel.
I know.
We just don't say it. We think, "I'll ju- I'll just get the same as usual, same as the..." And I was saying to you, Claire, how last weekend I had a little change in color because I
I think we all end up going back blonde.
But I know it's for the best. [laughs]
We always end up back. We do it because we know it's for the best. In our hearts, we're... It's very hard when you're blonde. Anyone listening there that's blonde-
Yeah
... you know what we mean. The thing is, like, no matter how careful and how amazing a colorist is, and I'm a colorist myself, bleach is very, very harsh on your hair. So if you're dark
Excuse me, I'm not dark naturally.
I mean, sorry, you're, you're just going to the darker, slightly darker side this time.
Yes.
Sorry. You're normally naturally really blonde.
Shoot.
Well, unfortunately, I'm not. So, [laughs] so I have to lighten it all up, and it does take a toll on your hair. So that's why hydration is the key if you're blonde.
Mm.
And that gives you that light around your face, so you kind of can have the best of both worlds.
Do people often regret that when they, when they change hair color? I mean, I've seen people do it for their wedding. They've gone from brunette to blonde or vice versa,
Actually for the wedding
For the wedding?
Yeah. I never advise that, and I get so many people... So I work with a lot of clients and patients that I do plans. I'm, I'm doing a lot of, like, online plans with people as well,
Okay.
Put that prep in.
Things like wearing hair extensions, which are all the ra-... Like, I can't believe there's so many people that I know have hair extensions. I'm like, "What?
I think it really depends, again, on the application. I love hair extensions. I think they're amazing. I think wigs are amazing as well. I think anything
Mm
... is nice just to give you that little bit of thickness. But it's really the application. Once you're going with the right method, it's not too heavy on your hair,
Yeah
... it's gonna be in terrible condition.
Because do you remember-
So you have to get after it
... Clare, years ago, Victoria Beckham and all the mag- the magazines were terrible. They used to have all the close-up photographs of all around her hairline, where she
Yeah. Well, the thing is, they were probably too far forward is why you shouldn't see them. But, I mean, Victoria still wears extensions. I mean, if you look at any celebrity, if you
What?
... in the same day. No. So they're all wigs. When you see someone who's like Jennifer Lopez or-
I was just going to say, don't say Jennifer Lopez wears a wig.
Yeah, Jennifer Lopez wears pieces and wigs all the time. Every single celebrity. If you were to go through a magazine with me now, I would guarantee you that 90%, if not higher,
They have to change-
That's part of the-
... their look constantly.
They have to change their look constantly, and your hair will not be able to take that amount of pressure. So the best thing to do in those situations,
So Clare Devereux is a trichologist from hairhealthessentials.com, uh, which deals with all kinds of hair issues, scalp problems, hair loss, et cetera.
Ireland's Classic Hits Radio. It's Trina Murray here. Something for the weekend. Clare Devereux is with us today. She is a trichologist dealing with all sorts of hair issues.
Yeah, well, you know, I, like so many people can't make it to come and see me personally. I do have clinics. I run c- clinics in Harley Street and I also run clinics here in Dublin as well.
Sorry, Harley Street in London?
Yes.
London, darling.
Yes, yes. [laughs]
You're not based in London though, are you?
No, I'm based here in Dublin, but I do fly over and back.
So you go over and back? Wow.
Yeah, I do. I go over and back, yeah. And I lived in LA-
So are there celebs and all?
... for a good few years. That's why I have a lot of clients I work with that work in film and, and all those kinda areas. So yeah, so I'm all o- I'm all around, you know.
Hang on. Back up, back up here now.
[laughs]
She just casually dropped the, "Yeah, I lived in LA for a..." So would there have been all celebs and everything?
Yeah. So my background, like I did a lot of makeover shows. You know, I did a lot of... I did all the Ireland AMs and the Exposés, and I worked for This Morning. And then I went to LA
Oh, right.
And I worked all the red carpets, do a lot of red carpet styling. So I suppose that's why with all the pieces when you ask me, I'm like, "Yes,
[laughs]
"... 'cause we, I work with them all the time, you know?" And my sister's an actress as well. I just did the IFTAs the other week and got her all dressed up. So I mean,
Sorry, again-
I work with all of that
... who's your sister?
My sister, Gemma-Leah Devereux, she's an actress.
Great.
So she's in Smother and a lot of those shows as well. Yeah, she's doing the-
How did I not know this? [laughs]
Yeah, The Rainmaker at the moment, uh, which is a, an American show. It's a John Grisham show, yeah.
Yeah.
So, um, she was presenting an IFTA the other week, so myself and my mom were down there, glam squad, you know, like she has us right there beside her helping her out with everything,
Yeah
... I've always worked beside my mom as well. That's that part of it. But I also feel so many women are going through like a bit of an identity crisis with their hair.
Yeah
... and different styles and a plan for the next 30 days or three months, whatever you kinda need. Washing your hair how many times a week, what products to be using on your hair, all
Wow. How can we get that?
So, well, my website is hairhealthessentials.com. So it'll be launching in the next two weeks, that particular plan, and yeah, and all the products, and there's loads of articles on that as well.
Yeah
... 'cause I like to write, you know.
Do you know what I struggle with, and I'd say a lot of, of people listening do? Knowing what products to buy. There's so many brands and different things,
Well, the thing is, I... First of all, paring it back is a huge thing.
Mm.
I think that everyone that comes to see me in the clinic, they're using way too many products and not the right thing, as I said. So you definitely need a good shampoo and a conditioner
Go on. Plug it sure while you're here, you might as well.
Well, Hair Health Essentials is my brand. So everything is natural and sulfate and sodium free, and it's, uh, definitely all the shampoos, conditioners.
Ooh.
I want you to try. And there's a mask, so you can start using a mask.
[laughs]
We're launching that. But, um, but yeah. So I mean, I just think it's finding the right products for your hair as well,
Mm
... it doesn't reflect the light. Dark hair reflects the light, so you always get a nice shine when you see someone with dark hair, you're like, "Oh, they're so shiny." Blonde,
Oh, come here, Claudia Winkleman.
Oh, amazing.
What's going on there?
Yeah.
It's like looking at, like-
Glass
... what's going on? Glass?
Isn't it amazing? Yeah, it's amazing. It's definitely well lit as well but it's-
Is that a wig? [laughs]
[laughs] You just never know. Her fringe is-
Imagine if we discovered-
... iconic
... after all these years that was a wig. [laughs]
[laughs] But you can see, that's what I mean, you know, dark hair gets that amazing shine, where blonde hair, it's harder to get that shine from it, and we both know that ourselves.
Yeah.
You just need to pare it down, and that's what we're gonna do with the plan. And when you come to see me as well, if you're coming in person to see me,
Yeah. Clare, do you see men as well, or it's mostly women?
Yeah, I do see men as well. Yeah, I definitely do, but I, I focus very much with women because I feel men have a lot of help out there when it,
Did you?
Yeah, my first product was for, like new moms, and I think that's where everything else has come from because I personally, even though I was, uh,
Yeah. It's like this business. People, like you become a counselor.
Yeah, yeah.
You become a counselor for your clients.
You really do. You really do.
Yeah.
And I think anyone who works in the hair industry will say the same thing, you know, that everyone wants to talk to you. You know, when your hair's not good, like we even said,
Wanting to socialize, everything, yeah
... yeah, you don't want to do it because you think everyone's looking at your hair, that everyone thinks that your hair is thin, they can see your scalp or whatever it is-
Yeah
... or your hair looks very dry, whatever it is. And really, people aren't probably looking at it the way you think they are. It's like
[laughs]
For me, it's about talking to someone and to really connecting the dots that way and telling them that there's hope because I think a lot of people feel this
Yeah.
And there is. There's loads you can do about it, and that's why there's always a light at the end of the tunnel, and just always remember that.
Clare, can I ask you about, uh, something that we touched on very briefly earlier on? Dry scalp and dandruff, are they the same thing? Different things?
No, totally different thing.
Okay.
Yeah. So dandruff tends to be an oily condition because it tends to be that it's built up on your scalp. It's, it's, um, too much sebum that you're producing, so it's oil.
Okay.
So you need to really go and see somebody if you're suffering with bad dandruff or you're suffering with very dry, tight... You shouldn't have a dry, tight, itchy scalp,
Yeah
... "that I realized."
Yeah.
So that's not normal. So if you, if you are listening and you're suffering with that, that's not normal. And to be scratching your scalp all the time because you're causing then,
It's a big thing, isn't it?
Yeah.
And I mean, you know, if you have that, you're worried about wearing black clothes or your jacket's being covered. It's for men as well.
Absolutely.
The jacket's being covered and that, the embarrassment of people noticing that there's dandruff on your shoulders, et cetera.
Well, they're two different things, and that's what I'm saying, you really have to look at it, and sometimes you have to look at diet. It's a whole thing. It's like layers
Yeah.
We're all very unique and everything's very different. But if you're suffering with that, and it's definitely causing you problems and, and causing you to be,
Yeah
... it's definitely worth getting the right help. And once you do, you're on the right track.
It's, it's done.
You know what I mean? It's done. It's the right track-
Yeah
... and you know how to deal with it. So, you know, don't be afraid to get help with it for sure because there, there, there are answers out there,
Clare Devereux, trichologist in studio. She makes me look a state. She's so glamorous. Uh, thanks so much. We're, I'm gonna pop her picture up on Instagram now so you can have a look. No,
Oh, my own Instagram is claredevereuxstyle, and then, um, hairhealthessentials is, is the Instagram for the, the brand, and that's also the website as well.
So if people do want to book in to have their scalps seen to or their hair-
Yeah
... what's the best way to do it?
Yeah, hairhealthessentials.com. You can go on there, and you can make an appointment to see me either at my clinic, I'm out in Blackrock here in Dublin,
Okay.
So you can find me.
Great stuff. And especially for brides as well, if you're a bride and you're thinking, "God, I need to sort out the hair-"
Yes
... now is a good time to kind of start.
It's definitely a great time to start, and it's never too late. Like, even if you think if you're having a quick wedding or something and you think it's in six weeks, you know,
Fabulous.
Which is very important.
Great stuff. It's Ireland's Classic Hits Radio. Thanks for coming in.
Thank you.
So I help women have the best hair of their life, Terina. I help with, uh, thinning hair, getting your hair thicker, um, and any scalp or hair conditions that you can think of,
A lot of women have this hair loss and thinning hair as they age. Is it a natural thing that will happen?
Um, I mean, it doesn't happen to everyone, you know. Some people are blessed and it doesn't happen. But there are so many women that do find their hair, at certain points, particularly with hormones,
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah
... notice is the ponytail isn't as thick anymore.
And, like, things like getting bald patches.
If you notice that your hair is thinning or shedding, we all shed between 80 and 100 hairs a day. That is normal for absolutely everyone.
No, no, no, no. Have you, have you seen the chair behind me here? [laughs]
[laughs]
There's at least a thousand hairs on that. So what's normal and what's not normal then, in terms of hair loss?
All right. So patches, yeah, well, patches are usually a different thing, like a- alopecia. But all hair loss comes under the word alopecia, an umbrella. But, um, hair loss,
Mm.
So if you're noticing hair loss today, think back about three or four months and see what happened in your life. Did something happen? Had you had a baby? So three,
Oh, yeah.
And that's really what it is. So it's to really get your nutrition back. It's to get a balance again in your body. It's when your body's kind of out of balance
Okay. Um, a lot of girls are wearing their hair pulled very tightly in ponytails, et cetera, and buns, et cetera. Does that affect the hair?
100% it does, yeah. So a lot of people, yeah, you kind of see a trend for it and it, and it can look great, but the problem is that kind of pulling on your hair, particularly
Mm.
So it's really a good idea to avoid those. It might be okay to do it one day, but it's really not a good idea to be doing it for a whole week. And particularly
I don't think I could do it anyway, 'cause the headache.
I know.
I'd get such a headache if I had my hair tied-
Yeah
... up all the time like that.
I'd be exactly the same. I just wouldn't be able... And you have a lot of hair, you see-
Yeah
... so you'd find that weight on your head as well. And there's a lot of hairstyles as well that could cover hair loss. So for example, if you find your hair shedding a lot,
Mm.
Because sometimes when people wear their hair to a certain side, they tend to straighten their hair more on that area, so they're getting more breakage around there.
Yeah.
So change maybe the parting on your hair. That's a big thing. And if you've a lot of new hair around the front, maybe consider-
I remember that so well when it was on Top of the Pops at the time. From 1994, Bon Jovi and Always. And on the show today we are joined by trichologist Clare Devereux. We
I know.
We just don't say. Just, "I'll ju- I'll just get the same as usual, same as..." And I was saying to you, Clare, how last weekend I had a little change in color 'cause I
I think we always end up-
But I know it's for the best [laughs]
... back blonde. We always end up back. We do it because we know it's for the best, but in our hearts we're... It's very hard when you're blonde. Anyone listening there that's blonde-
Yeah
... you, you know what we mean. The thing is, like, no matter how careful and how amazing a colorist is, and I'm a, a colorist myself, bleach is very,
Excuse me, I'm not dark naturally.
I mean, sorry, you're, you've just gone to the darker, slightly darker side this time.
Yes.
Sorry. You're normally naturally really blonde.
She, she-
Well, unfortunately I'm not [laughs] so, so I have to lighten it all up and it does take a toll on your hair. So that's why hydration is the key if you're blonde.
Mm.
And that gives you that light around your face, so you kinda can have the best of both worlds.
Do people often regret that when they, when they change hair color? I mean, I've seen people do it for their wedding. They've gone from brunette to blonde or vice versa,
I actually fully agree.
For the wedding.
Yeah. I never advise it. And I get so many people... So I work with a lot of clients and patients that I do plans. I'm, I'm doing a lot of, like, online plans with people as well,
Okay.
Put that prep in.
Things like wearing hair extensions, which are all the rag- Like, I can't believe there's so many people that I know have hair extensions. I'm like, "What?
I think it really depends, again, on the application. I love hair extensions. I think they're amazing. I think wigs are amazing as well. I think anything
Mm
... is nice just to give you that little bit of thickness, but it's really the application. Once you go with the right method, it's not too heavy on your hair, and you change them regularly.
Yeah
... you're gonna be in terrible condition. So you have to look after it.
'Cause do you remember, Clare, years ago, Victoria Beckham and all the mag- The magazines are terrible.
Yeah. Well, the thing is, they were probably too far forward is why you shouldn't see them, but, I mean, Victoria still wears extensions. I mean, if you look at any celebrity, if you
What?
No. So they're all wigs. When you see someone, even like Jennifer Lopez or-
I was just gonna go and say, "Don't say Jennifer Lopez wears a wig."
Yeah, Jennifer Lopez wears pieces and wigs all the time. Every single celebrity. If you were to go through a magazine with me now, I would guarantee you that 90%, if not higher,
They have to change their look constantly.
They have to change their look constantly, and your hair will not be able to take that amount of pressure. So the best thing to do in those situations,
Okay. Clare Devereux is a trichologist and, uh, talking to us today about your various hair issues, and more still to come on Ireland's Classic Hits Radio.
And we looked each day and night in the eye. And we still so young and we hope for more
Ireland's Classic Hits Radio. It's Trina Mara joined on the show today by trichologist Clare Devereux,
Yeah, well, you know, I... so many people can't make it to come and see me personally. I do have clinics. I run clinics in Harley Street and I also run clinics here in Dublin as well.
Sorry, Harley Street in London?
Yes.
London, darling.
[laughs] Oh, darling.
You're not based in London though, are you?
No, I'm based here in Dublin, but I do fly over and back.
So you go over and back? Wow.
Yeah, I do. I go over and back, yeah. And I was in LA-
So are these celebs and all?
... for a few years. That's why I have a lot of clients I work with that work in film and, and all those kind of areas. So yes, so I'm all o- I'm all around, you know?
Hang on. Back up, back up here now.
[laughs]
She just, uh, casually dropped the, "Yeah, I lived in LA for..." So would there have been all celebs and everything?
Yeah. So my background, like, I did a lot of makeover shows. You know, I did a lot of... I did all the Ireland AMs and the Exposé, and I worked for This Morning. And then I went to LA
Right.
And I worked all the red carpets, do a lot of red carpet styling. So I suppose that's why with all the pieces when you ask me, I'm like, "Yes,
[laughs]
... 'cause we, I work with them all the time, you know? And my sister's an actress as well, and just did the IFTAs the other week and got her all dressed up. So I mean, like,
Sorry, again
... I work with all of that.
Who's your sister?
My sister Gemma-Leah Devereux, she's an actress.
Great.
So she's in Smother and a lot of those shows as w-
How did I not know this? [laughs]
Yeah, she's doing The Rain- yeah, The Rainmaker at the moment, uh, which is an American show. It's a John Grisham show, yeah.
Yeah.
So, um, she was presenting an IFTA the other week, so myself and my mom were down there, glam squad, you know, like she has right there beside her helping her out with everything, with the clothes
Yeah
... I've always worked beside my mom as well. That's that part of it. But I also feel so many women are going through, like, a bit of an identity crisis with their hair.
Yeah
... and different styles and a plan for the next 30 days or three months, whatever you kinda need. Washing your hair how many times a week, what products to be using on your hair, all
Wow. How can we get that?
So, well, my website is hairhealthessentials.com, and there's loads of articles on that as well. So if you've anything with your hair, like if it's postpartum, menopause, any kind of hair loss,
Yeah
... 'cause I like to write, you know?
Do you know what I struggle with? And I'd say a lot of, of people listening do, knowing what products to buy. There's so many brands and different things,
Well, the thing is I... first of all, paring it back is a huge thing.
Mm.
I think that everyone that comes to see me in the clinic, they're using way too many products and not the right thing, as I said. So you definitely need a good shampoo and a conditioner
Go on. Plug it sure while you're here, you might as well.
Well, Hair Health Essentials is my brand. So everything is natural and sulfate and sodium-free, and it's, uh, definitely all the shampoos, conditioners.
Ooh.
I want you to try. And there's a mask, so you can start using a mask.
[laughs]
We're launching that. But, um, but yeah, so I mean, I just think it's finding the right products for your hair as well.
Well, come here, Claudia Winkleman.
Oh, amazing.
What's going on there?
Yeah.
It's like looking at, like-
Gloss
... what is going on? Gloss?
Isn't it amazing? Yeah, it's amazing. It's definitely well looked after, but it's-
Is that a wig? [laughs]
[laughs] You just never know. The, her fringe is iconic.
Imagine if we discovered after all these years that was a wig. [laughs]
[laughs] But you can see that's what I mean. You know, dark hair gets that amazing shine, where blonde hair, it's harder to get that shine from it, and we both know that ourself.
Yeah.
You just need to pare it down, and that's what we're gonna do with the plan. And when you come to see me as well, if you're coming in person to see me,
Yeah. Clare Devereux, trichologist with us on the show today. More still to come on Ireland's Classic Hits Radio.
Ireland's Classic Hits Radio. It's Trina Murray here. Something for the weekend. Clare Devereux is with us today. She is a trichologist dealing with all sorts of hair issues.
Yeah, well, you know, I, like so many people can't make it to come and see me personally. I do have clinics. I run c- clinics in Harley Street and I also run clinics here in Dublin as well.
Sorry, Harley Street in London?
Yes.
London, darling.
Yes, yes. [laughs]
You're not based in London though, are you?
No, I'm based here in Dublin, but I do fly over and back.
So you go over and back? Wow.
Yeah, I do. I go over and back, yeah. And I lived in LA-
So are there celebs and all?
... for a good few years. That's why I have a lot of clients I work with that work in film and, and all those kinda areas. So yeah, so I'm all o- I'm all around, you know.
Hang on. Back up, back up here now.
[laughs]
She just casually dropped the, "Yeah, I lived in LA for a..." So would there have been all celebs and everything?
Yeah. So my background, like I did a lot of makeover shows. You know, I did a lot of... I did all the Ireland AMs and the Exposés, and I worked for This Morning. And then I went to LA
Oh, right.
And I worked all the red carpets, do a lot of red carpet styling. So I suppose that's why with all the pieces when you ask me, I'm like, "Yes,
[laughs]
"... 'cause we, I work with them all the time, you know?" And my sister's an actress as well. I just did the IFTAs the other week and got her all dressed up. So I mean,
Sorry, again-
I work with all of that
... who's your sister?
My sister, Gemma-Leah Devereux, she's an actress.
Great.
So she's in Smother and a lot of those shows as well. Yeah, she's doing the-
How did I not know this? [laughs]
Yeah, The Rainmaker at the moment, uh, which is a, an American show. It's a John Grisham show, yeah.
Yeah.
So, um, she was presenting an IFTA the other week, so myself and my mom were down there, glam squad, you know, like she has us right there beside her helping her out with everything,
Yeah
... I've always worked beside my mom as well. That's that part of it. But I also feel so many women are going through like a bit of an identity crisis with their hair.
Yeah
... and different styles and a plan for the next 30 days or three months, whatever you kinda need. Washing your hair how many times a week, what products to be using on your hair, all
Wow. How can we get that?
So, well, my website is hairhealthessentials.com. So it'll be launching in the next two weeks, that particular plan, and yeah, and all the products, and there's loads of articles on that as well.
Yeah
... 'cause I like to write, you know.
Do you know what I struggle with, and I'd say a lot of, of people listening do? Knowing what products to buy. There's so many brands and different things,
Well, the thing is, I... First of all, paring it back is a huge thing.
Mm.
I think that everyone that comes to see me in the clinic, they're using way too many products and not the right thing, as I said. So you definitely need a good shampoo and a conditioner
Go on. Plug it sure while you're here, you might as well.
Well, Hair Health Essentials is my brand. So everything is natural and sulfate and sodium free, and it's, uh, definitely all the shampoos, conditioners.
Ooh.
I want you to try. And there's a mask, so you can start using a mask.
[laughs]
We're launching that. But, um, but yeah. So I mean, I just think it's finding the right products for your hair as well,
Mm
... it doesn't reflect the light. Dark hair reflects the light, so you always get a nice shine when you see someone with dark hair, you're like, "Oh, they're so shiny." Blonde,
Oh, come here, Claudia Winkleman.
Oh, amazing.
What's going on there?
Yeah.
It's like looking at, like-
Glass
... what's going on? Glass?
Isn't it amazing? Yeah, it's amazing. It's definitely well lit as well but it's-
Is that a wig? [laughs]
[laughs] You just never know. Her fringe is-
Imagine if we discovered-
... iconic
... after all these years that was a wig. [laughs]
[laughs] But you can see, that's what I mean, you know, dark hair gets that amazing shine, where blonde hair, it's harder to get that shine from it, and we both know that ourselves.
Yeah.
You just need to pare it down, and that's what we're gonna do with the plan. And when you come to see me as well, if you're coming in person to see me,
Yeah. Clare, do you see men as well, or it's mostly women?
Yeah, I do see men as well. Yeah, I definitely do, but I, I focus very much with women because I feel men have a lot of help out there when it,
Did you?
Yeah, my first product was for, like new moms, and I think that's where everything else has come from because I personally, even though I was, uh,
Yeah. It's like this business. People, like you become a counselor.
Yeah, yeah.
You become a counselor for your clients.
You really do. You really do.
Yeah.
And I think anyone who works in the hair industry will say the same thing, you know, that everyone wants to talk to you. You know, when your hair's not good, like we even said,
Wanting to socialize, everything, yeah
... yeah, you don't want to do it because you think everyone's looking at your hair, that everyone thinks that your hair is thin, they can see your scalp or whatever it is-
Yeah
... or your hair looks very dry, whatever it is. And really, people aren't probably looking at it the way you think they are. It's like
[laughs]
For me, it's about talking to someone and to really connecting the dots that way and telling them that there's hope because I think a lot of people feel this
Yeah.
And there is. There's loads you can do about it, and that's why there's always a light at the end of the tunnel, and just always remember that.
Clare, can I ask you about, uh, something that we touched on very briefly earlier on? Dry scalp and dandruff, are they the same thing? Different things?
No, totally different thing.
Okay.
Yeah. So dandruff tends to be an oily condition because it tends to be that it's built up on your scalp. It's, it's, um, too much sebum that you're producing, so it's oil.
Okay.
So you need to really go and see somebody if you're suffering with bad dandruff or you're suffering with very dry, tight... You shouldn't have a dry, tight, itchy scalp,
Yeah
... "that I realized."
Yeah.
So that's not normal. So if you, if you are listening and you're suffering with that, that's not normal. And to be scratching your scalp all the time because you're causing then,
It's a big thing, isn't it?
Yeah.
And I mean, you know, if you have that, you're worried about wearing black clothes or your jacket's being covered. It's for men as well.
Absolutely.
The jacket's being covered and that, the embarrassment of people noticing that there's dandruff on your shoulders, et cetera.
Well, they're two different things, and that's what I'm saying, you really have to look at it, and sometimes you have to look at diet. It's a whole thing. It's like layers
Yeah.
We're all very unique and everything's very different. But if you're suffering with that, and it's definitely causing you problems and, and causing you to be,
Yeah
... it's definitely worth getting the right help. And once you do, you're on the right track.
It's, it's done.
You know what I mean? It's done. It's the right track-
Yeah
... and you know how to deal with it. So, you know, don't be afraid to get help with it for sure because there, there, there are answers out there,
Clare Devereux, trichologist in studio. She makes me look a state. She's so glamorous. Uh, thanks so much. We're, I'm gonna pop her picture up on Instagram now so you can have a look. No,
Oh, my own Instagram is claredevereuxstyle, and then, um, hairhealthessentials is, is the Instagram for the, the brand, and that's also the website as well.
So if people do want to book in to have their scalps seen to or their hair-
Yeah
... what's the best way to do it?
Yeah, hairhealthessentials.com. You can go on there, and you can make an appointment to see me either at my clinic, I'm out in Blackrock here in Dublin,
Okay.
So you can find me.
Great stuff. And especially for brides as well, if you're a bride and you're thinking, "God, I need to sort out the hair-"
Yes
... now is a good time to kind of start.
It's definitely a great time to start, and it's never too late. Like, even if you think if you're having a quick wedding or something and you think it's in six weeks, you know,
Fabulous.
Which is very important.
Great stuff. It's Ireland's Classic Hits Radio. Thanks for coming in.
Thank you.
So I help women have the best hair of their life, Terina. I help with, uh, thinning hair, getting your hair thicker, um, and any scalp or hair conditions that you can think of,
A lot of women have this hair loss and thinning hair as they age. Is it a natural thing that will happen?
Um, I mean, it doesn't happen to everyone, you know. Some people are blessed and it doesn't happen. But there are so many women that do find their hair, at certain points, particularly with hormones,
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah
... notice is the ponytail isn't as thick anymore.
And, like, things like getting bald patches.
If you notice that your hair is thinning or shedding, we all shed between 80 and 100 hairs a day. That is normal for absolutely everyone.
No, no, no, no. Have you, have you seen the chair behind me here? [laughs]
[laughs]
There's at least a thousand hairs on that. So what's normal and what's not normal then, in terms of hair loss?
All right. So patches, yeah, well, patches are usually a different thing, like a- alopecia. But all hair loss comes under the word alopecia, an umbrella. But, um, hair loss,
Mm.
So if you're noticing hair loss today, think back about three or four months and see what happened in your life. Did something happen? Had you had a baby? So three,
Oh, yeah.
And that's really what it is. So it's to really get your nutrition back. It's to get a balance again in your body. It's when your body's kind of out of balance
Okay. Um, a lot of girls are wearing their hair pulled very tightly in ponytails, et cetera, and buns, et cetera. Does that affect the hair?
100% it does, yeah. So a lot of people, yeah, you kind of see a trend for it and it, and it can look great, but the problem is that kind of pulling on your hair, particularly
Mm.
So it's really a good idea to avoid those. It might be okay to do it one day, but it's really not a good idea to be doing it for a whole week. And particularly
I don't think I could do it anyway, 'cause the headache.
I know.
I'd get such a headache if I had my hair tied-
Yeah
... up all the time like that.
I'd be exactly the same. I just wouldn't be able... And you have a lot of hair, you see-
Yeah
... so you'd find that weight on your head as well. And there's a lot of hairstyles as well that could cover hair loss. So for example, if you find your hair shedding a lot,
Mm.
Because sometimes when people wear their hair to a certain side, they tend to straighten their hair more on that area, so they're getting more breakage around there.
Yeah.
So change maybe the parting on your hair. That's a big thing. And if you've a lot of new hair around the front, maybe consider-
I remember that so well when it was on Top of the Pops at the time. From 1994, Bon Jovi and Always. And on the show today we are joined by trichologist Clare Devereux. We
I know.
We just don't say. Just, "I'll ju- I'll just get the same as usual, same as..." And I was saying to you, Clare, how last weekend I had a little change in color 'cause I
I think we always end up-
But I know it's for the best [laughs]
... fat blonde. We always end up fat. We do it because we know it's for the best, but in our hearts we're... It's very hard when you're blonde. Anyone listening there that's blonde-
Yeah
... you, you know what we mean. The thing is, like, no matter how careful and how amazing a colorist is, and I'm a, a colorist myself, bleach is very,
Excuse me, I'm not dark naturally.
I mean, sorry, you're, you've just gone to the darker, slightly darker side this time.
Yes.
Sorry. You're normally naturally really blonde.
She, she-
Well, unfortunately I'm not [laughs] so, so I have to lighten it all up and it does take a toll on your hair. So that's why hydration is the key if you're blonde.
Mm.
And that gives you that light around your face, so you kinda can have the best of both worlds.
Do people often regret that when they, when they change hair color? I mean, I've seen people do it for their wedding. They've gone from brunette to blonde or vice versa,
I actually fully agree.
For the wedding.
Yeah. I never advise it. And I get so many people... So I work with a lot of clients and patients that I do plans. I'm, I'm doing a lot of, like, online plans with people as well,
Okay.
Put that prep in.
Things like wearing hair extensions, which are all the rag- Like, I can't believe there's so many people that I know have hair extensions. I'm like, "What?
I think it really depends, again, on the application. I love hair extensions. I think they're amazing. I think wigs are amazing as well. I think anything
Mm
... is nice just to give you that little bit of thickness, but it's really the application. Once you go with the right method, it's not too heavy on your hair, and you change them regularly.
Yeah
... you're gonna be in terrible condition. So you have to look after it.
'Cause do you remember, Clare, years ago, Victoria Beckham and all the mag- The magazines are terrible.
Yeah. Well, the thing is, they were probably too far forward is why you shouldn't see them, but, I mean, Victoria still wears extensions. I mean, if you look at any celebrity, if you
What?
No. So they're all wigs. When you see someone, even like Jennifer Lopez or-
I was just gonna go and say, "Don't say Jennifer Lopez wears a wig."
Yeah, Jennifer Lopez wears pieces and wigs all the time. Every single celebrity. If you were to go through a magazine with me now, I would guarantee you that 90%, if not higher,
They have to change their look constantly.
They have to change their look constantly, and your hair will not be able to take that amount of pressure. So the best thing to do in those situations,
Okay. Clare Devereux is a trichologist and, uh, talking to us today about your various hair issues, and more still to come on Ireland's Classic Hits Radio.
And we looked each day and night in the eye. And we still so young and we hope for more
Ireland's Classic Hits Radio. It's Trina Mara joined on the show today by trichologist Clare Devereux, uh,
Yeah, well, you know, I, I... so many people can't make it to come and see me personally. I do have clinics. I run c- clinics in Harley Street and I also run clinics here in Dublin as well.
Sorry, Harley Street in London?
Yes.
London, darling.
[laughs] Oh, darling.
You're not based in London though, are you?
No, I'm based here in Dublin, but I do fly over and back.
So you go over and back? Wow.
Yeah, I do. I go over and back, yeah. And I was in LA-
So are these celebs and all?
... for a few years. That's why I have a lot of clients I work with that work in film and, and all those kind of areas. So yes, so I'm all o- I'm all around, you know?
Hang on. Back up, back up here now.
[laughs]
She just, uh, casually dropped the, "Yeah, I lived in LA for..." So would there have been all celebs and everything?
Yeah. So my background, like, I did a lot of makeover shows. You know, I did a lot of... I did all the Ireland AMs and the Exposés, and I worked for This Morning. And then I went to LA
Right.
And I worked all the red carpets, do a lot of red carpet styling. So I suppose that's why with all the pieces when you ask me, I'm like, "Yes,
[laughs]
... 'cause we, I work with them all the time, you know? And my sister's an actress as well, and just did the IFTAs the other week and got her all dressed up. So I mean, like,
Sorry, again
... I work with all of that.
Who's your sister?
My sister Gemma-Leah Devereux, she's an actress.
Great.
So she's in Smother and a lot of those shows as w-
How did I not know this? [laughs]
Yeah, she's doing The Rain- yeah, The Rainmaker at the moment, uh, which is an American show. It's a John Grisham show, yeah.
Yeah.
So, um, she was presenting an IFTA the other week, so myself and my mom were down there, glam squad, you know, like she has right there beside her helping her out with everything, with the clothes
Yeah
... I've always worked beside my mom as well. That's that part of it. But I also feel so many women are going through, like, a bit of an identity crisis with their hair.
Yeah
... and different styles and a plan for the next 30 days or three months, whatever you kinda need. Washing your hair how many times a week, what products to be using on your hair, all
Wow. How can we get that?
So, well, my website is hairhealthessentials.com, and there's loads of articles on that as well. So if you've anything with your hair, like if it's postpartum, menopause, any kind of hair loss,
Yeah
... 'cause I like to write, you know?
Do you know what I struggle with? And I'd say a lot of, of people listening do, knowing what products to buy. There's so many brands and different things,
Well, the thing is I... first of all, paring it back is a huge thing.
Mm.
I think that everyone that comes to see me in the clinic, they're using way too many products and not the right thing, as I said. So you definitely need a good shampoo and a conditioner
Go on. Plug it sure while you're here, you might as well.
Well, Hair Health Essentials is my brand. So everything is natural and sulfate and sodium-free, and it's, uh, definitely all the shampoos, conditioners.
Ooh.
I want you to try. And there's a mask, so you can start using a mask.
[laughs]
We're launching that. But, um, but yeah, so I mean, I just think it's finding the right products for your hair as well.
Well, come here, Claudia Winkleman.
Oh, amazing.
What's going on there?
Yeah.
It's like looking at, like-
Gloss
... what is going on? Gloss?
Isn't it amazing? Yeah, it's amazing. It's definitely well looked after, but it's-
Is that a wig? [laughs]
[laughs] You just never know. The, her fringe is iconic.
Imagine if we discovered after all these years that was a wig. [laughs]
[laughs] But you can see that's what I mean. You know, dark hair gets that amazing shine, where blonde hair, it's harder to get that shine from it, and we both know that ourself.
Yeah.
You just need to pare it down, and that's what we're gonna do with the plan. And when you come to see me as well, if you're coming in person to see me,
Yeah. Clare Devereux, trichologist with us on the show today. More still to come on Ireland's Classic Hits Radio. [upbeat music]
Amara. And we're joined on the show today by Claire Devereux, who is a trichologist. Claire, do you see men as well, or is it mostly women?
Yeah, I do see men as well. Yeah, I definitely do, but I, I focus very much with women because I feel men have a lot of help out there when it,
Did ya?
Yeah, my first product was for, like, new moms. And I think that's where everything else has come from because I personally, even though I was a,
Yeah. It's like this business, people, like, you become a counselor.
Yeah.
You become a counselor-
Yeah
... for your clients.
You really do. You really do.
Yeah.
And I think anyone who works in the hair industry will say the same thing, you know, that everyone wants to talk to you. You know, when your hair's not good, like we even said,
Wanting to socialize, everything, yeah
... yeah, you don't wanna do it because you think everyone's looking at your hair, that everyone thinks that your hair is thin, they can see your scalp or whatever it is-
Yeah
... or your hair looks very dry, whatever it is. And really, people aren't probably looking at it the way you think they are. It's like
[laughs]
For me, it's about talking to someone and to really connecting the dots that way and telling them that there's hope because I think a lot of people feel this
Yeah.
There's loads you can do about it, and that's why there's always a light at the end of the tunnel, and just always remember that. There's always good hair days a- ahead. Always remember that.
Claire, can I ask you about, uh, something that we touched on very briefly earlier on? Dry scalp and dandruff, are they the same thing, different things?
No, totally different thing.
Okay.
Yeah. So dandruff tends to be an oily condition because it tends to be that it's built up on your scalp. It's, it's, um, too much sebum that you're producing, so it's oil.
Okay.
So you need to really go and see somebody. If you're suffering with bad dandruff or you're suffering with very dry, tight... You shouldn't have a dry, tight, itchy scalp,
Yeah
... "that I realized."
Yeah.
So that's not normal. So if you, if you are listening and you're suffering with that, that's not normal. And to be scratching your scalp all the time because you're causing then,
It's a big thing, isn't it?
Yeah.
And I mean, you know, if you have that, you're worried about wearing black clothes or your jacket's being covered. It's for men as well.
Absolutely.
The jacket's being covered and the, the embarrassment of people noticing that there's dandruff on your shoulders, et cetera.
Well, they're two different things, and that's what I'm saying. You really have to look at it, and sometimes you have to look at diet. It's a whole thing. It's like layers
Yeah.
We're all very unique and everything's very different. But if you're suffering with that and it's definitely causing you problems and, and causing you to be,
Yeah
... it's definitely worth getting the right help. And once you do, you're on the right track.
It's, it's done.
You know what I mean? It's done. It's the right track.
Yeah.
And you know how to deal with it. So, you know, don't be afraid to get help with it for sure because there, there, there are answers out there,
Claire Devereux, trichologist in studio. She makes me look a state. She's so glamorous. Uh, thanks so much for... Well, I'm gonna pop her picture up on Instagram now, so you can have a look.
Oh, my own Instagram is clairedevereuxstyle, and then, um, hairhealthessentials is, is the Instagram for the, the brand, and that's also the website as well.
So if people do want to book in to have their scalp seen to or their hair-
Yeah
... what's the best way to do it?
Yeah, hairhealthessentials.com. You can go on there, and you can make an appointment to see me either at my clinic, I'm out in Blackrock here in Dublin,
Okay.
So you can find me.
Great stuff. And especially for brides as well. If you're a bride and you're thinking, "God, I need to sort out the hair-"
Yes
... now's a good time to kind of start.
It's definitely a great time to start, and it's never too late. Like, even if you think if you're having a quick wedding or something and you think it's in six weeks, you know,
Fab.
Which is very important.
Great stuff. It's Ireland's Classic Hits Radio. Thanks for coming in.
Thank you.